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fix(net): lite-05/06 idle copies judge the gap by SUBSCRIBE_START - #7337

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Finishes quest/m2/lite-legacy-gap.md (removes it and its link in quest/m2/README.md).

Problem

moq-dev/moq#6183 fixed lite-07: an idle relay copy that resubscribes judges whether its feed skipped past the cache from SUBSCRIBE_START's first group. Lite-05/06 still judged it by the first group header. A descending track resends the backlog newest first, so that first header is the newest group. The copy then read a gap after its cache, set a live floor past it, and readers lost every cached group their max age still allowed.

Design

Lite-05/06 SUBSCRIBE_START has no largest, but it does carry Group, the first group the feed serves. Our publisher resolves that from the source's start, not from the first group it happens to hold (lite/publisher.rs start). It is the same value lite-07 now passes to set_live. A group header can still overtake it, since START is on the subscribe stream and groups are on their own uni streams.

Options considered:

  1. Go live once both START and a group header arrived, in either order (recommended, implemented). START gives the gap, the header gives the live edge. Nothing on the wire changes. The cost is that a header overtaking START waits for it, usually a fraction of an RTT.
  2. Let START alone make the copy live, as on lite-07. On 05/06, START's group is usually the cached head the copy asked from, so the copy would go live showing only the stale cache. A reader at the live edge would get the old group first, which breaks rejoin_skips_a_cache_kept_by_another_handle. Rejected.
  3. Go live on the header when it shows no gap, and wait for START only when it does. This keeps the current latency in the common case but needs two code paths for a narrow race. Not worth it.
  4. Leave 05/06 as is and document the gap. Rejected because the fix fits in the existing wire.

Changes

  • rs/moq-net/src/lite/subscriber.rs: TrackEntry gains start and first. TrackEntry::answered makes the copy live with set_live(first, start) once both are known. On 05/06 the group-header path and the SUBSCRIBE_START handler both feed it. Pre-05 versions have no START, so they keep going live from the header. track.rs is unchanged.
  • Tests:
    • rejoin::rejoin_keeps_the_cache_when_the_backlog_lands_newest_first runs on lite-05, lite-06, and lite-07. A held handle keeps the relay's copy idle with group 0 cached, the publisher writes groups 1 to 3, and the rejoin's backlog is released newest first. Before the fix, 05 and 06 delivered [1, 2, 3]. Now all three versions deliver [0, 1, 2, 3].
    • lite::subscriber::tests::an_idle_copy_judges_the_gap_by_the_start covers both arrival orders, including a header that overtakes START.

Choices made without asking

  • Implemented option 1 rather than only proposing options in the PR, because it changes neither the wire nor the public API. A different option is a small follow-up if preferred.
  • A 05/06 publisher that never sends SUBSCRIBE_START would now leave an idle copy idle. The 05/06 drafts make START the first message, and both the Rust and JS publishers send it before any group.
  • No JS change: js/net has no idle-copy reuse (see moq-dev/moq#6183).
  • Datagram-first liveness on 05/06 is unchanged, because a datagram-only feed may never get a START.

Overlap

  • moq-dev/moq#7295 (lite-track-end) also edits rs/moq-net/src/lite/subscriber.rs, in other hunks. A text conflict is possible, but there is no semantic overlap.
  • moq-dev/moq#7296 (lite-legacy-close-drain) edits lite/publisher.rs and lite/version.rs, which this PR does not touch.

Checks

  • just fix origin/main passed.
  • just check origin/main passed (rs, rs_shapes, markdown, gh, quest, shell, and the others).

Review

  • Reviewer: Codex gpt-6.1-sol, medium effort, via quest review --base origin/main.
  • Head reviewed: 75497ac326e1bd4965e50b67fc4989b7eaf6db38.
  • Result: round 1 reported no findings.

Follow-ups

  • None required. Option 3 is available if the wait for START ever shows up in latency measurements.

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kixelated and others added 2 commits October 30, 2026 03:43
An idle copy on lite-05/06 judged whether its feed skipped past the cache
by the first group header. On a descending track that header is the
newest group, so readers lost every cached group their max age allowed.
Their START names the first group the feed serves, so the copy now goes
live once it has both that START and a group header, whichever lands
first. No wire or public API change.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
@kixelated kixelated changed the title Resumed copies judge the gap on lite-05/06 fix(net): lite-05/06 idle copies judge the gap by SUBSCRIBE_START Oct 30, 2026
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Reviewed commit: 75497ac.

No actionable defects found. Combining the legacy START's feed floor with the first group header is a focused fix without changing the wire or exposing stale cached content from START alone. Fresh subscription IDs reset both observations; legacy START always supplies a concrete group, and set_live cannot rewind an already-live copy. Pre-05 header behavior and the documented datagram-first exception remain unchanged.

The unit test covers both arrival orders, and the integration regression covers reversed backlog on lite-05/06/07. GitHub-only static review of all changed files and relevant version, decoding, publisher, subscription-lifecycle, and cache-liveness code. No tests or interoperability/latency measurements were run; reported passes were not independently verified.

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Merge summary: no review findings on head 75497ac326e1bd4965e50b67fc4989b7eaf6db38 (local Codex round 1 and the online OpenAI review both clean), all 15 checks pass, and quest check --base origin/main passes. No changes made during merge; landing via quest land.

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quest land removed this pull request from the queue: the batch check failed (exit 14).

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Re-landing unchanged head 75497ac326e1bd4965e50b67fc4989b7eaf6db38 after the failed_checks ejection.

The batch failed only check gh. That failure came from a batch-mate, not from this PR. This PR touches only rs/moq-net and quest/. Main's .github/justfile has no zizmor gate; moq-dev/moq#7317 adds it and flagged main's unpinned pullfrog.yml actions. On this head merged with main (a1169021b6), just gh check passes. quest check --base origin/main also passes on the head. The existing review record (local Codex round 1, no findings) covers this head.

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Codex land fixer: PR was picked again while fixing; keeping the newer pick. Recommendation: run /quest-iterate before picking it again.

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   0: __rustc::rust_begin_unwind
   1: core::panicking::panic_fmt
   2: std::io::stdio::_eprint
   3: <codex_exec::event_processor_with_human_output::EventProcessorWithHumanOutput as codex_exec::event_processor::EventProcessor>::process_server_notification
   4: codex_exec::run_exec_session::{closure#0}
   5: <tracing::instrument::Instrumented<codex_exec::run_exec_session::{closure#0}> as core::future::future::Future>::poll
   6: codex_exec::run_main::{closure#0}
   7: codex::cli_main::{closure#0}
   8: <tokio::runtime::park::CachedParkThread>::block_on::<codex_arg0::run_main_with_arg0_guard<codex::main::{closure#0}, codex::main::{closure#0}::{closure#0}>::{closure#0}>
   9: tokio::runtime::context::runtime::enter_runtime::<<tokio::runtime::scheduler::multi_thread::MultiThread>::block_on<codex_arg0::run_main_with_arg0_guard<codex::main::{closure#0}, codex::main::{closure#0}::{closure#0}>::{closure#0}>::{closure#0}, core::result::Result<(), anyhow::Error>>
  10: <tokio::runtime::runtime::Runtime>::block_on::<codex_arg0::run_main_with_arg0_guard<codex::main::{closure#0}, codex::main::{closure#0}::{closure#0}>::{closure#0}>
note: Some details are omitted, run with `RUST_BACKTRACE=full` for a verbose backtrace.
quest: fixer agent exited 101

(written by Codex)

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