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quest: report the replica spike, a conditional win - #7533
Finishes quest/m2/perf/kio-channel-contention/spike-replica.md. It measures per-worker data-plane replicas on the thread-per-core relay and records the numbers and a recommendation in the kio channel contention epic.
Result
Replicas are a conditional win. They pay off on high-fan-out tracks at 16 workers, and applied to every track they lose on low fan-out.
Chat at 16 workers (one broadcast, 2,000 viewers): relay CPU drops from 9.5 to 2.2 cores, kernel instructions per frame from 427k to 28k (the futex traffic around one track with 2,000 readers), and p50 from 34 to 18 ms.
Fanout at 16 workers: CPU drops from 0.45 to 0.16 cores and mutex wait from 807 to 256 ms. User instructions per frame rise 16%, the hop's own session work.
4 workers: smaller gains on both shapes.
Low fan-out loses (video-heavy: 256 connections, each subscribing to two tracks of 60-frame groups): at 4 and 16 workers, 73 to 78% more user instructions per frame, 41 to 53% more CPU, and 18 to 28% more memory, with no lock-wait gain. At 1 worker the hop saturates the worker: 10% fewer frames delivered and p50 rises from 2.5 to 227 ms.
Residual contention with replicas: the shared track, now read by one hop per worker. TrackState is still 86% of chat-16 wait (poll_drop, learn_end, is_expired), so the version counter (moq-dev/moq#7532) still applies to its reads that find nothing changed. The other 13%, the per-track cache mutex, isn't a channel and stays.
The full table, method, and caveats are in the epic README.
Recommendation: if sharding reopens, replicate per track on demand. Never take the hop on the publisher's own worker, and only replicate above a per-worker fan-out threshold. Rerun this comparison once the version counter lands, since it attacks the same chat waits without the hop. Then weigh it against the cluster spike before /quest-plan.
Cluster::spike_replica (rs/moq-relay/src/cluster.rs), enabled by SPIKE_REPLICA=1: each tokio worker builds a second origin with its own hop. A moq-lite-07 session over moq_net::transport::memory links the shared origin into it, with both halves on that worker. Publishers still publish into the shared origin, and Cluster::subscriber hands the worker's sessions the replica. A unit test checks that a frame crosses the hop.
Harness hooks (bench/relay.sh): BENCH_RELAY_CPUS and BENCH_LOAD_CPUS pin the relay and generator with taskset. BENCH_STAT runs perf stat for user and kernel instructions over the unprofiled run's steady window. bench/profile.py's lock capture buffer grew from 2 to 32 MiB, which didn't stop base chat-16 from losing a record.
Runs: just bench-profile lock for fanout, chat, and video-heavy at 1, 4, and 16 workers, base and replica interleaved. 3 reps each, except 2 for video-heavy and extra base chat-16 attempts.
Choices made without asking
The spike code doesn't merge; this PR does. The plan says the spike is "a draft PR that never merges", and the epic says its numbers "land here". I read that as the poll-macro spike did: the spike code stays in branch history, and the PR merges the epic update and the quest deletion. If the quest meant something else, a clearer wording would be: "The spike's code never merges; its PR lands only the numbers in the epic."
Two departures from the plan's design, both written into the epic. Announcements cross the hop too, so each replica keeps its own announce table. These shapes announce 1 to 256 broadcasts, so it doesn't show. Every subscription also takes the hop, even on the publisher's own worker, so the 1-worker rows are the hop's whole cost.
Pinning: the relay ran on the 16 E-cores and the generator on the 8 P-cores. The harness default pins everything to the P-cores, which would put 16 workers on 8 cores. So absolute numbers don't compare with the epic's 2026-10-14 baseline, but base and replica are paired on the same setup.
Deterministic metric first: the host was loaded (load average 5 to 21), so instruction counts carry the CPU comparison. Wall-clock lock wait is reported beside them.
Low-fan-out shape: the plan said to name a separate workload if low fan-out matters, and it does. I used the existing bench/workloads/video-heavy.toml rather than adding one.
Log adoption: its Required list loses the replica entry. The cluster entry now carries the "adoption is likely abandoned" condition, and its Plan says the replica spike doesn't settle adoption.
Suggested follow-ups
Rerun this replica-vs-base comparison after the version counter merges. This needs SPIKE_REPLICA on top of it, from 0636821.
bench/profile.py's lock capture can't record base chat at 16 workers on this host. Every attempt loses one perf record or gets refused for nonalternating switch records. A capture that tolerates and reports a handful of lost records would make the 16-worker baseline measurable.
The generator's p99 sits at about 1.4 s in every case, both variants. It looks like a startup artifact inside the throughput window, so only p50 is reported.
Review
mechanical fix by codex / Codex: Merged base, preserving both benchmark reports and following the version-counter documentation move; docs only, no buildable packages touched; passed quest check, ALLOW_HOST_TOOLCHAIN=1 CHECK_MODULES=quest just ci base, and git diff base HEAD --check. (head a289f59)
Local quest review --base origin/main, round 1 of a new session: Codex, gpt-6.1-sol, medium effort, on head 318d8d97f24fb626812899922f2234ea389e8f75. No findings. (Head 638b2e3 also had a round with no findings.)
Online review findings on 638b2e3, all fixed in 318d8d9:
CodeRabbit, lock-wait aggregation: fixed. The method now says mutex wait is the median of the accepted lock captures.
CodeRabbit, version-counter claim: fixed. The claim now covers only the TrackState reads that find nothing changed. The cache mutex (cache::Track::watch_wall) isn't a channel, so it stays.
CodeRabbit, video-heavy ranges: fixed. The ranges and the 1.8x figure are scoped to 4 and 16 workers, and the 1-worker row is stated separately.
Pullfrog, stale "Not run" paragraph: fixed. It's now scoped to the 2026-10-24 host and notes that the replica spike has video-heavy's total wait but no per-channel split.
Checks: quest check and just check origin/main passed (markdown, gh, quest, shell, toml) on 318d8d9. The spike's unit test cluster::tests::spike_replica_serves_the_shared_origin passed at 0636821.
bench/relay.sh: SPIKE_PERF_STAT=1 runs perf stat (instructions and cycles, user and kernel, both core types) on each control run's 5 s steady window. Dividing by recv_fps * 5 gives instructions per delivered frame, which held steady on a loaded host where CPU time and lock wait did not. BENCH_PIN=true sets runtime.pin.
bench/profile.py: SPIKE_PERF_BUFFER=32M. The default 2 MiB buffer dropped events on base chat at 4 and 16 pinned workers.
rs/moq-relay/src/spike.rs wires the per-worker memory-session mesh inside Relay::run's worker loop, which a replica wiring could mirror.
rs/moq-relay/examples/spike_announce.rs measures the frame delay one memory hop adds (p50 75 to 175 us here) and announce table memory.
Same-session base numbers from my runs are in the README diff of moq-dev/moq#7534 if you want a cross-check.
No actionable bugs found in the documentation-only final diff. The prototype and harness changes remain outside the merge diff; there is no runtime, public API, or wire change.
Direction: recording the conditional result rather than landing unconditional replication is appropriate. Keeping shared tracks for low fan-out and measuring the simpler version-counter approach before committing to replication avoids paying the extra session cost everywhere. The report explicitly preserves the announcement-replication and same-worker-hop caveats.
Verification: static review of all changed quest files, referenced replica wiring, harness hooks, and workload definitions. I did not run tests or benchmarks, inspect raw captures, or independently reproduce the reported measurements.
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ℹ️ No critical issues — one doc-consistency note below.
Reviewed changes
This run reviewed the full quest-only diff (4 files) that retires the replica-spike quest and records its results in the epic.
Replica spike results land in the epic (quest/m2/perf/kio-channel-contention/README.md): a new 2026-11-01 section with method, a base→replica table for fanout/chat/video-heavy at 1/4/16 workers, per-shape findings, and a conditional-win recommendation; the per-thread follow-up now reads "results below" and Required drops the replica-spike link.
spike-replica.md deleted: quest completed; no spike-replica path references remain repo-wide, and it was never listed in a milestone index README.
log-adoption.md re-pointed: records that the replica spike does not settle the log question (replicas lose on low fan-out, so shared tracks stay and remain the most contended channel, now with one reader per worker); Required now names only the cluster spike.
spike-cluster.md re-pointed: the replica-spike reference is now prose pointing at the epic.
Verified: the cited 0636821... commit resolves and its rs/moq-relay/src/cluster.rs blob contains spike_replica plus its unit test; all newly added quest links resolve; the prose percentages match the table.
ℹ️ The "Not run" multi-frame lock paragraph now reads stale against the new table
The new section reports video-heavy just bench-profile lock mutex wait (137 ms (1.5%) → 208 ms (1.6%)), but the unchanged 2026-10-24 storage paragraph a few lines above still says the multi-frame lock profile was "Not run" and that a relay's GroupState wait on multi-frame groups is "still unmeasured". A future reader can read these as contradictory.
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# Video-heavy "not run" paragraph is stale against the new table## Affected sites-`quest/m2/perf/kio-channel-contention/README.md:210-213` (unchanged) — "Not run: `just bench-profile lock` on a multi-frame shape (`bench/workloads/video-heavy.toml` is one) ... So a relay's share of `GroupState` wait with multi-frame groups is still unmeasured."
-`quest/m2/perf/kio-channel-contention/README.md:266` (added) — video-heavy 16-worker row reports `137 ms (1.5%) → 208 ms (1.6%)` mutex wait.
## Required outcome- The paragraph should be scoped to the 2026-10-24 host (`perf_event_paranoid=4`) and/or state that only the per-channel `GroupState` breakdown remains unmeasured, so it does not read as contradicting the new aggregate video-heavy lock-wait numbers.
## Open questions for the human- Was video-heavy profiled in the replica spike on a host with `perf_event_paranoid=-1` (the method implies yes)? If so, a one-clause scoping edit is enough; the per-channel breakdown claim is otherwise correct as written.
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Review comments at @quest/m2/perf/kio-channel-contention/README.md:
- Around line 291-299: Update the video-heavy percentages and the 1.8×
recommendation in the contention results to clarify they apply only to the 4-
and 16-worker rows; alternatively, revise the reported figures to include the
1-worker row.
- Around line 251-252: Update the aggregation note in the README so the
three-run median applies only to the other metrics, and state the actual
aggregation for mutex-wait values separately, accounting for the differing
number of lock captures.
- Line 290: Revise the version-counter claim near GroupExpiry::is_expired to
distinguish cache-mutex wait from channel wait, or qualify the claim as a
hypothesis. State that the linked plan skips the channel mutex only for opt-in
no-change re-polls; data changes still lock, and cache::Track::watch_wall’s
per-track cache mutex is unaffected.
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The README records replica benchmark results and recommends conditional replication above a per-worker fan-out threshold. The adoption log and cluster-spike note are updated to reflect the results and comparison. The draft replica spike plan is deleted.
Merge Risk: Low · up to 638b2
The benchmark report should clarify these scopes before its results guide replication adoption decisions.
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- Around line 291-299: Update the video-heavy percentages and the 1.8×
recommendation in the contention results to clarify they apply only to the 4-
and 16-worker rows; alternatively, revise the reported figures to include the
1-worker row.
- Around line 251-252: Update the aggregation note in the README so the
three-run median applies only to the other metrics, and state the actual
aggregation for mutex-wait values separately, accounting for the differing
number of lock captures.
- Line 290: Revise the version-counter claim near GroupExpiry::is_expired to
distinguish cache-mutex wait from channel wait, or qualify the claim as a
hypothesis. State that the linked plan skips the channel mutex only for opt-in
no-change re-polls; data changes still lock, and cache::Track::watch_wall’s
per-track cache mutex is unaffected.
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Re the Pullfrog note on the stale "Not run" paragraph: agreed, fixed in 318d8d9. The bullet now says it wasn't run on the 2026-10-24 host, and that the replica spike captured video-heavy's total lock wait without splitting it by channel, so GroupState's share with multi-frame groups is still unmeasured.
Direction remains sound: keep replication conditional, retain shared tracks for low fan-out, and measure the simpler version-counter approach first. The revised text correctly separates unchanged channel reads from the cache mutex and new-data reads. This remains documentation-only, without runtime, API, or wire changes.
Verification: static review of the incremental diff and full README, its table arithmetic, the version-counter plan, and cache watch path. No tests or benchmarks run; raw captures and reported measurements were not independently reproduced.
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This run reviewed the incremental delta since the prior pullfrog review (638b2e3), a README.md-only commit that resolves prior feedback on the replica-spike report.
Scoped the mutex-wait aggregation: the method now states mutex wait is the median of the runs whose lock capture the harness accepted, noting it is fewer where called out.
Narrowed the version-counter claim: it now targets only the TrackState reads that find nothing changed, acknowledging that a read of new data still locks and the per-track cache mutex is not a channel.
Scoped the video-heavy ranges: the 73-78% user-instruction, 41-53% CPU, and 18-28% memory figures now apply to the 4- and 16-worker rows, with the 1-worker saturation row stated separately; the 1.8x recommendation likewise reads "at 4 and 16 workers."
Refreshed the stale "Not run" paragraph: it is now scoped "on this host" and notes the replica spike captured video-heavy's total lock wait without a per-channel split.
Verified the prose figures against the table (video-heavy 4/16 worker memory +18..28%, matching the corrected range) and confirmed the cited 0636821 reference and quest links still resolve.
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This run reviewed the README-only delta since the prior pullfrog review (318d8d9): a merge of main that lands the version-counter report beside the replica-spike one.
Merged main: the epic now carries the landed version-counter report (#7532) immediately above the replica-spike section, with both benchmark reports preserved rather than one overwriting the other.
Re-pointed the version-counter references: the baseline paragraph now reads "(below)", the 2026-10-14 candidates list reads "(landed below)", and the recommendation reads "with the version counter (landed above)" — all replacing links to version.md, which main deleted.
Dropped the version counter from ## Required, leaving the cluster spike and log adoption.
Verified the referenced version.md and spike-replica.md are absent at HEAD and no dangling links remain, the "(below)"/"(landed above)" pointers match the section's actual position, and the version-counter section text merges cleanly with the replica-spike findings. Prior code review feedback (CodeRabbit's three threads and pullfrog's "Not run" note) was already addressed in 318d8d9; nothing remained to retire.
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quest/m2/perf/kio-channel-contention/spike-replica.md. It measures per-worker data-plane replicas on the thread-per-core relay and records the numbers and a recommendation in the kio channel contention epic.Result
Replicas are a conditional win. They pay off on high-fan-out tracks at 16 workers, and applied to every track they lose on low fan-out.
video-heavy: 256 connections, each subscribing to two tracks of 60-frame groups): at 4 and 16 workers, 73 to 78% more user instructions per frame, 41 to 53% more CPU, and 18 to 28% more memory, with no lock-wait gain. At 1 worker the hop saturates the worker: 10% fewer frames delivered and p50 rises from 2.5 to 227 ms.TrackStateis still 86% of chat-16 wait (poll_drop,learn_end,is_expired), so the version counter (moq-dev/moq#7532) still applies to its reads that find nothing changed. The other 13%, the per-track cache mutex, isn't a channel and stays.The full table, method, and caveats are in the epic README.
Recommendation: if sharding reopens, replicate per track on demand. Never take the hop on the publisher's own worker, and only replicate above a per-worker fan-out threshold. Rerun this comparison once the version counter lands, since it attacks the same chat waits without the hop. Then weigh it against the cluster spike before
/quest-plan.Approach
The spike code is at
0636821(moq-dev/moq@90eaf99 and moq-dev/moq@0636821). The next commit removes it, so this PR merges only the quest changes.Cluster::spike_replica(rs/moq-relay/src/cluster.rs), enabled bySPIKE_REPLICA=1: each tokio worker builds a second origin with its own hop. A moq-lite-07 session overmoq_net::transport::memorylinks the shared origin into it, with both halves on that worker. Publishers still publish into the shared origin, andCluster::subscriberhands the worker's sessions the replica. A unit test checks that a frame crosses the hop.bench/relay.sh):BENCH_RELAY_CPUSandBENCH_LOAD_CPUSpin the relay and generator withtaskset.BENCH_STATrunsperf statfor user and kernel instructions over the unprofiled run's steady window.bench/profile.py's lock capture buffer grew from 2 to 32 MiB, which didn't stop base chat-16 from losing a record.just bench-profile lockfor fanout, chat, and video-heavy at 1, 4, and 16 workers, base and replica interleaved. 3 reps each, except 2 for video-heavy and extra base chat-16 attempts.Choices made without asking
bench/workloads/video-heavy.tomlrather than adding one.Suggested follow-ups
SPIKE_REPLICAon top of it, from0636821.bench/profile.py's lock capture can't record base chat at 16 workers on this host. Every attempt loses one perf record or gets refused for nonalternating switch records. A capture that tolerates and reports a handful of lost records would make the 16-worker baseline measurable.Review
mechanical fix by codex / Codex:
Merged base, preserving both benchmark reports and following the version-counter documentation move; docs only, no buildable packages touched; passed quest check, ALLOW_HOST_TOOLCHAIN=1 CHECK_MODULES=quest just ci base, and git diff base HEAD --check.(head a289f59)Local
quest review --base origin/main, round 1 of a new session: Codex, gpt-6.1-sol, medium effort, on head318d8d97f24fb626812899922f2234ea389e8f75. No findings. (Head638b2e3also had a round with no findings.)Online review findings on
638b2e3, all fixed in318d8d9:TrackStatereads that find nothing changed. The cache mutex (cache::Track::watch_wall) isn't a channel, so it stays.Checks:
quest checkandjust check origin/mainpassed (markdown, gh, quest, shell, toml) on318d8d9. The spike's unit testcluster::tests::spike_replica_serves_the_shared_originpassed at0636821.(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)
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