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Problem

A lite-03/04 SUBSCRIBE that names no start means "the latest group". A Rust relay serving one from a copy still fetching upstream had no newest group on arrival, so it floored the join at 0 and replayed whatever history its copy held or its upstream feed delivered (for example a lite-07 upstream serving the groups the budget reaches). Rust already re-read the newest group at resolution for lite-05; JS did it for every version.

Decisions

Decided 2026-11-05 (maintainer, /quest-plan), replacing the 50 ms settle: ✅ remove the wait entirely and let legacy (lite-03/04) joins race. A legacy join takes the newest group known when its subscription resolves, even if the upstream's answer would have named a newer one. No per-copy "answered" signal and no timer. Not chosen: keep the 50 ms settle. Reason: every legacy join through a relay paid 50 ms per hop for a version kept only for compatibility.

• Superseded: the 2026-11-05 settle (SETTLE, the Settle state, is_received/hooks.received), the 2026-11-04 copyless-front deferral, and the 2026-11-03 request-time floor.
• Kept: the 2026-11-04 lite-01/02 parity decision (arrival-only floor in Rust and JS).

Choices made without asking (listed for review):

• "Known" includes a reported largest. The re-read takes the newer of the newest cached group and the largest the upstream's answer reported (peek_largest, a lite-07 SUBSCRIBE_START or moq-transport SUBSCRIBE_OK). It costs no wait and keeps a relay with a lite-07 feed from replaying the history that feed delivers after its answer.
• Lite-05 takes the same re-read, so one rule covers lite-03/04/05 instead of a lite-05 branch. Its first-frame latency test still passes.

Approach

Rust: at confirmation, a pre-06 join (other than lite-01/02) floors at the newest of the group found on arrival, latest_sequence, and peek_largest of the resolved track, so a copy already holding a group joins where a cold one would (Pullfrog's warm-copy thread). JS mirrors it in runSubscribe, before the SUBSCRIBE_OK write, and keeps lite-01/02 on their arrival floor.

Known legacy behavior left

• A join that resolves before its upstream's answer brings anything, such as on a lite-01..04 upstream whose copy resolves before its SUBSCRIBE is sent, keeps a zero floor and serves every group that follows. Those upstreams start at their own live edge, so this replays nothing in practice.
• A newer group the answer brings after resolution raises nothing: groups between the floor and it are delivered.

This PR completes quest/m1/relay-inflight-replay.md and deletes it.

Impact

• Public API: none.
• Wire format: none. Lite-03/04 joins with no start now start at the newest group known at resolution (range_anchors and widened_max_age expectations follow the drafts: absent Group Start is the latest group).

Validation

• Merged origin/main without rebasing (conflict-free locally).
• just ci origin/main on 2414c26f89: passed.
• Mutation checks: restoring main's lite-05-only re-read fails a_legacy_viewer_beating_a_relay_copy_joins_at_the_live_edge, a_fresh_reader_fills_nothing_below_its_start, and every_wire_carries_the_live_and_oldest_starts; dropping the reported largest fails the Rust unit test a_pending_subscribe_joins_the_newest_group_once_resolved and the JS reported case; restoring the found-none gate fails the new warm case in both languages (Rust Answer::Warm, JS "a join on a track already holding groups starts at a reported newer group").

Review

Codex, gpt-6.1-sol, medium effort.

• Round 1 on e4136ec7f4: 0 findings.
• Round 2 on 2414c26f89 (Pullfrog fixes + merge of main): 0 findings.

CodeRabbit's three threads on the settle design: the hooks.received/fed ones target code this revision deletes; the JS floor is read again before the SUBSCRIBE_OK write.
Pullfrog's three threads on e4136ec: all fixed in 3f0a3cc7ec (warm-copy floor in Rust and JS, plus a routed pending JS case).

Follow-ups

None.

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)

[kixelated]

Design change: The maintainer settled the earlier review blocker on 2026-11-03: keep a request-time floor and land after the HLS grid. The implementation now snapshots the request/answer boundary instead of re-reading the cache at confirmation. Main now includes moq-dev/moq#7652; the unchanged a_cursor_records_a_publisher_without_fetch passes and just ci origin/main passes. Starting a fresh local review session for this settled design.

(Written by GPT-6.1 Sol)

[kixelated]

Design change: the maintainer picked a rethink at the fourth-round checkpoint (2026-11-05, /quest-unblock). A pending legacy join no longer snapshots the request/answer boundary. A lite-03/04 SUBSCRIBE with no start that finds no newest group on a remotely fed track (a received copy, or a front whose serving or parked copy is one) waits 50 ms past the upstream answer, then floors at the newest group known, including a largest a lite-07 SUBSCRIBE_START or moq-transport SUBSCRIBE_OK reported. Lite-03/04's SUBSCRIBE_OK never names the largest group: Rust sends no start_group, and JS echoes the requested one.

Local tracks and lite-05 take the newest group once the track resolves. Lite-05's first-frame latency test allows no wait. Lite-01/02 keep their arrival floor. The per-subscription snapshots, shared answer cells, and deferred copyless wire joins are removed. This supersedes the 2026-11-03 request-time floor and the 2026-11-04 copyless-front decision. The PR body lists the legacy bugs left. The next local review restarts the round count with quest review --new.

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)

[pullfrog]

✅ No new issues found.

Reviewed changes

This run read the full 12-file diff at 5f55182c9, which replaces the shared snapshot design with the settle path decided on 2026-11-05. The one open thread from the earlier review (js/net/src/resume.ts, requesting a routed pending join test) is resolved: the hook it pointed at no longer exists, and the routed case it asked for now runs as [DRAFT_04, true] in the settle table.

• Settle state — SubscribeServe buffers the lite-03/04 SUBSCRIBE_OK, flushes it, then waits SETTLE (50 ms) on the session runtime before flooring at peek_largest(), and only for a join that found no newest group on arrival on a track::Subscriber::is_received copy.
• Non-settling legacy joins — Lite-01/02 keep the arrival floor, while Lite-03..06 re-read the newest group at confirmation, extending main's lite-05/06 rule to 03/04.
• is_received plumbing — new accessors on Consumer, Subscriber, and the front's resume reader (a copy's received flag, or the serving/parked copy), plus a unit test for the front case. The peek_largest / latest_sequence split is sound: both advance together when a group is created, so peek_largest covers the newest written group and any reported largest.
• JS parity — hooks.received mirrors the Rust check, the publisher sends its SUBSCRIBE_OK first, then sleeps SETTLE before flooring at max(latestSequence, peekLargest); arrivalOnly() keeps DRAFT_01/02 on the arrival floor.
• Coverage — the Rust matrix sweeps lite-03..06 against five answer shapes and the start/received combinations, the new integration test holds a lite-07 upstream's groups past the answer for a lite-03/04 viewer, and the JS tests cover settle, empty copy, local/lite-05, and the DRAFT_01/02 floors. range_anchors and widened_max_age expectations move to the live edge, matching Range::oldest opening no floor on an older wire.
• Quest retirement — quest/m1/relay-inflight-replay.md is deleted with its index entry, and no reference to it remains in the tree.

The legacy costs the body lists (50 ms per legacy hop, a group older than the settled floor skipped, a zero floor behind a lite-01..04 upstream, a copy-less front reading as local, and local tracks never settling) are consequences of the chosen design rather than defects, and the local-track exception is backed by session_close::earlier_lite_peer_close_reads_buffered_tail.

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Inline comments:
Review comments at @js/net/src/lite/publisher.ts:
- Line 1081: In the subscription flow using hooks.latestSequence, capture the
local latest sequence after track.info() resolves and before
encodeSubscribeResponse can suspend; use that captured value for non-settling
subscriptions. Keep the post-settle latest-sequence read for settling
subscriptions.

Review comments at @js/net/src/resume.ts:
- Around line 1159-1162: Update Reader.received() to check the parked copy when
#serving() is undefined, applying the same terminal-route condition used by Rust
parked(); preserve the existing hooks.received(serving.sub) check when a serving
copy exists.

Review comments at @js/net/src/track.ts:
- Line 1024: Update the `fed` logic around `Producer.#subscribed` to preserve
remote-copy provenance separately from active-feed subscription state. When an
upstream subscription ends but a received copy remains cached, retain enough
received-state information for later Lite-03/04 joins to settle consistently
with Rust, without treating the producer as actively subscribed.

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• js/net/src/internal.ts
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[kixelated]

Design change: the maintainer replaced the 50 ms settle on 2026-11-05 (/quest-plan). Legacy (lite-03/04) joins now race: a join that found no group on arrival takes the newest group known when its subscription resolves (the newest cached group, or a largest the upstream's answer reported), with no timer and no per-copy "answered" or received check. The Settle state, SETTLE, is_received, and hooks.received are removed along with their tests; lite-05 shares the same re-read, and lite-01/02 keep their arrival floor. The next local review restarts the round count with quest review --new.

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)

[kixelated]

Automated review by review (OpenAI)

Reviewed commit e4136ec. No new actionable findings. The revised resolution-time floor supersedes my earlier first-answer snapshot concern. Removing the timer and snapshot/provenance machinery is a simpler fit for the documented compatibility tradeoff; Rust and JS preserve existing arrival floors and explicit starts, while using the newest known group for unresolved joins.

Verification: GitHub-only static review; I did not run tests. The current Check was still running when inspected.

[pullfrog]

Important

The new resolution floor only consults a reported largest when the copy held no group at arrival, so a relay copy that is already filling still replays up to the edge and the join's start depends on cache warmth. Dropping the settle itself reads clean.

Reviewed changes

This run reviewed e4136ec7f, the single commit since the prior Pullfrog review at 5f55182c9, which replaces the 50 ms settle with a resolution-time floor.

• Settle removed — SETTLE, the SubscribeServe::Settle state, the JS sleep, and cursor_floor's settle wording are gone; a pre-06 join takes the newest group known when its track resolves, with no wait and no per-copy "received" test.
• Reported largest folded into the floor — Rust takes latest_sequence().max(peek_largest()) at confirmation and JS takes max(latestSequence, peekLargest), so a join that beat a lite-07 or moq-transport answer starts at the largest that answer reported.
• Lite-01/02 pinned to the arrival floor — both languages branch on lite-01/02 explicitly instead of has_track_stream(), and a new JS test pins the arrival-only floor.
• is_received plumbing deleted — Consumer/Subscriber/front is_received, the JS hooks.received, ResumeSource.received, and the receiveTrack-driven fed accessor are removed with their unit test; Producer.#subscribed stays for fill semantics.
• Tests follow the new rule — the Rust matrix sweeps lite-01/03/04/05/06 over resolved, cached, reported, and empty answers, the integration test loses its 10 ms sleep and expects the reported bucket, and the range_anchors / widened_max_age lite-03/04 expectations move to the live edge.

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Automated review by review (OpenAI)

Reviewed commit 2414c26. No new actionable findings. The warm-copy fix consistently includes the reported upstream largest in Rust and JS, addressing the independently reported inconsistency while preserving lite-01/02 behavior and explicit starts. The added tests cover warm copies and routed pending cases; one resolution-time rule avoids restoring timer or snapshot complexity.

Verification: GitHub-only static review; I did not run tests.

[pullfrog]

✅ No new issues found.

Reviewed changes

This run reviewed 3f0a3cc7e and the merge of origin/main at 2414c26f8, which fix the warm-copy floor raised in the prior Pullfrog review.

• Warm and cold joins floor alike — Rust now computes latest.max(latest_sequence).max(peek_largest) at confirmation and JS folds latest, latestSequence, and peekLargest into newest, so a copy that already delivered a group no longer ignores a newer reported largest. Lite-01/02 still keep the arrival floor.
• Warm matrix case — Answer::Warm holds groups 0 and 3 and reports 9 before the SUBSCRIBE; it expects only [9] on lite-03/04/05 and fails against the old latest.or_else(...) gate.
• JS warm and routed coverage — a new DRAFT_04/05 test joins a track already holding groups against a reported 9, and the pending table regains routed rows so the resolution-time reads run through a #resume front.
• Docs follow the rule — cursor_floor and the JS comment drop the "found none on arrival" framing and state the warm/cold parity.
• Main merged — origin/main at c76f9eb9f merges without conflicts; no PR-authored code changed in that commit.

All three Pullfrog threads from e4136ec7f are resolved with author replies. Locally, the pending join cases pass (bun test src/lite/publisher.test.ts filtered to the new tests, 8 cases), and bunx tsc --noEmit plus biome check are clean on the JS files.

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