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quest: plan one join knob for video and audio encoders - #8036
Video's keyframeInterval / Gop::Keyframe { interval } / MoqVideoGop / C gop, audio's groupDuration / group_duration, and the C hints' group_duration_us all become one join time (join: Milli in JS, join: Duration in Rust and FFI, join_us in C), named after the catalog's media.join they feed.
Decisions (maintainer, 2026-11-06)
Scope?
Encoder knobs only
✅ Also the C hint (and, from a follow-up answer, video: "do the same for video, join > keyframe")
Drop the rename
Name?
joinInterval: chosen first, then replaced ("I generally don't like compound words, and Interval could be a unit")
✅ join: one word that mirrors the catalog's join; its doc comment says it is the time between join points
cadence (collides with capture cadence)
period
interval
keyframeInterval (the maintainer's question: "what is a keyframe for audio?")
groupInterval (earlier round)
Rust video API shape?
✅ A: a join: Duration field everywhere; the one-variant Gop/MoqVideoGop enum is deleted
B: a non-exhaustive Join enum
C: timestamp-driven joins via forced IDRs
D: a join_frames count in Rust/FFI/C
Milestone?
✅ m1
Rendition.joinInterval and Broadcast.join (Pullfrog)?
✅ One word, three levels: Rendition.joinInterval becomes Rendition.join; config join is requested, Rendition.join effective, Broadcast.join the longest
Keep joinInterval
Another name for the encoder knob
What does join = 0 mean (Pullfrog)?
Every frame, everywhere
✅ Refused everywhere (behavior change for JS video and audio callers passing 0; C's zero-initialized config keeps 0 as the default)
Leave each language as is
Review
Fresh round 1 (Codex gpt-6.1-sol, medium) on head ffcba06, a merge of origin/main 636ba9f: no findings. The merge's one conflict was the end of the api-audit README. Main finished the route epic and #7986 dropped the Related link, so only this branch's join.md Required entry remains.
Head bec62bb: review skipped by the authoring model. It only rewords two lines so migration notes go in the PR's Impact section, per the AGENTS.md rule from #8024.
Round 2 (Codex gpt-6.1-sol, medium) on head 899cd72 against origin/main d505e96: no findings. Responses to earlier findings:
[P2] Derive the catalog interval from the effective frame count (join.md:47): fixed in 899cd72. The catalog and Rendition.join read the effective, frame-rounded duration, with tests named for a fractional frame rate and a sub-frame join.
Public API and wire impact: planning only. The planned change breaks @moq/publish, moq-video, moq-audio, moq-ffi, and the moq-c ABI. Wire: none.
Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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quest: plan one join interval for video and audio encoders
quest: plan one join knob for video and audio encoders
Nov 6, 2026
The API audit now includes a requirement to use join for encoder timing controls across JavaScript, Rust, FFI, and C. A new design and migration plan defines requested, effective, and broadcast-wide join values, along with zero handling, video frame rounding, defaults, catalog behavior, and API and wire-change status.
Merge Risk: Low · up to bec62
This documentation-only change is mergeable with bounded follow-up, but the join-bound exceptions should be clarified before implementing the migration.
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One actionable planning finding: keep the catalog's advertised join interval consistent with the frame-rounded encoder cadence. Please clarify that calculation in the plan before implementation; the inline comment includes concrete cases and a test direction.
Scope and limits: inspected both changed Markdown files and the relevant JS/Rust encoder, FFI/C, frame-rate, and catalog code through GitHub. This PR changes planning documents only. No local build, tests, or quest commands were run, and this comment is not an approval.
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Important
The plan renames the encoder knobs to join, but @moq/publish already ships Broadcast.join (the declared media.join.interval) and Rendition.joinInterval (the per-rendition cadence). The plan does not say what happens to either, so the package would end up with two different joins plus one leftover compound.
Reviewed changes
quest/m1/api-audit/join.md — new child quest recording the 2026-11-06 decisions: join as the name, scope covering video plus the C hints, join/join_us per language, Rust video taking a plain Duration with the Gop enum deleted, and the per-package rename checklist with the docs/callers to update.
quest/m1/api-audit/README.md — lists the new quest under the epic's ## Required.
The rest of the plan matches the code: Gop::keyframe_every floors to whole frames and never below one, Gop::validate rejects zero frames, Config::new defaults to 2 s, C's gop is a frame count where 0 means the default, and the C hints require a nonzero group_duration_us when present. The frame-rounded-versus-raw interval question is already tracked in the existing review on this head, so it is not repeated here.
⚠️join already means two other things in @moq/publish
join.md:9-10 renames the encoder config fields, but that package already exposes Broadcast.join (js/publish/src/broadcast.ts:172) as the declared media.join.interval, and Rendition.joinInterval (js/publish/src/rendition-internal.ts:68) as the per-rendition value longestGroup folds into it. Custom producers set rendition.joinInterval directly (js/publish/src/broadcast.test.ts:1024), so it is publisher-facing, and the built-in encoders write it (js/publish/src/video/encoder.ts:357-360, js/publish/src/audio/encoder.ts:557). Renaming only the encoder configs gives the package two different joins and leaves a compound behind, which is what the quest set out to remove.
Technical details
# Decide the fate of `Broadcast.join` and `Rendition.joinInterval`## Affected sites-`js/publish/src/broadcast.ts:172` — `readonly join` is the declared, broadcast-wide `media.join.interval`.
-`js/publish/src/rendition-internal.ts:68` — `readonly joinInterval` is the per-rendition contribution.
-`js/publish/src/video/encoder.ts:357-360` — sets `joinInterval` from `keyframeInterval`.
-`js/publish/src/audio/encoder.ts:557` — sets `joinInterval` from `groupSpacing(groupDuration, ..)`.
-`js/publish/api/index.api.md:128,224` — both are in the public API dump.
## Required outcome- The plan states whether `Rendition.joinInterval` is renamed as part of "one join knob", or deliberately keeps its name.
- The encoder `join` reads as the requested cadence, visibly distinct from `Broadcast.join`'s declared result.
ℹ️ join = 0 will mean three different things
join.md:53-56 records zero semantics for Rust video (refuse) and audio (a group per frame) but not for JS, where keyframeInterval: Milli(0) is accepted today and keyframes every frame (js/publish/src/video/encoder.ts:542, no lower clamp). Once all languages share the name, zero would be an error in Rust and FFI (Some(Duration::ZERO) fails Gop::validate), "use the default" in C (moq_video_encoder_output.gop/join_us is 0 for ~2 s), and "keyframe every frame" in JS. State the intended JS behavior; rejecting 0 there is a behavior change for existing callers.
Technical details
# Record zero semantics per language now that the name is shared## Affected sites-`js/publish/src/video/encoder.ts:542` — `requested = config?.keyframeInterval ?? DEFAULT_KEYFRAME_INTERVAL`; `Milli(0)` makes `since >= 0` true on every frame.
-`rs/moq-video/src/encode/encoder.rs:255` and `Gop::validate` — a zero frame interval is refused today.
-`rs/moq-c/src/video.rs:112` — `gop: 0` means "use ~2 seconds", so `join_us: 0` keeps meaning the default.
## Required outcome-`join.md` records what `join = 0` does in JS, Rust, FFI, and C.
Both Pullfrog findings are settled by maintainer decision in 899cd72:
join already means two things in @moq/publish:Rendition.joinInterval becomes Rendition.join too. The encoder config's join is the requested value, Rendition.join is the effective one, and Broadcast.join is the longest across renditions, so the word means the same at every level.
join = 0 means three things: zero is now refused in every language. That changes behavior for JS video and audio callers passing 0, and each package's MIGRATE note calls it out. C's zero-initialized video config keeps 0 as "the default", since C has no Option.
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✅ No new issues found.
Reviewed changes
This run reviewed the delta since the prior Pullfrog review at d69983d, which resolves both open concerns.
One join at three levels — Rendition.joinInterval becomes Rendition.join, so the requested encoder value, the effective per-rendition value, and Broadcast.join share one name and meaning.
Zero refused everywhere — records that each encoder rejects a zero join at configuration (a behavior change for JS video and audio callers), while C's zero-initialized video config keeps 0 as the default because C has no Option, and the C hints already reject a present zero.
Catalog advertises the effective join — spells out the effective duration rounded to frames (2 s at 30000/1001 fps is 60 frames, or 2002 ms; a 1 ms join at 30 fps is one frame, about 33.3 ms) and names regression tests for a fractional frame rate and a positive sub-frame join.
The added numbers check out: FrameRate::frames rounds to the nearest frame before max(1), and Gop::duration converts 60 frames at that rate to 2002 ms.
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Reviewed head: 899cd72ee235bc37a92f563576a1bcd9a6d267e6, including the update since d69983d879b37c386ced92933f08ce1157ef21fd.
No new actionable findings. The earlier P2 is addressed in the plan: it now explicitly retains an internal effective duration after frame rounding, advertises that duration to the catalog, and calls for fractional-frame-rate and positive sub-frame regression tests. The added requested/effective/broadcast naming distinction and explicit zero-value policy also make the migration scope clearer.
Direction: carry the effective-duration calculation and the stated zero-value behavior into implementation, migration notes, and tests. This confirms the planning fix, not an implemented runtime fix.
Limits: GitHub-only review of the two-file planning change and relevant source context. No local build, tests, or quest commands were run. Submitted as COMMENT, not approval.
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Reviewed head: bec62bba04f6e33c9bd808b31f46fc709becedeb, specifically the migration-note wording changed since 899cd72ee235bc37a92f563576a1bcd9a6d267e6.
No new actionable findings. The new instruction to put per-package migration notes in the implementation PR's Impact section matches the rule merged by #8024. AGENTS.md at that merge explicitly reserves MIGRATE.md edits for the release cut. The inline suggestion to restore ## Unreleased follows the older rule still present on this branch, rather than the updated rule on main; keep the new Impact-section wording.
The earlier effective-duration fix remains intact. Limits: GitHub-only inspection of this documentation delta, prior review context, and the merged convention change. No local build, tests, or quest commands were run. COMMENT only, not approval.
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Review comments at @quest/m1/api-audit/join.md:
- Around line 23-24: Clarify the join-interval plan for renditions with unknown
hints: specify how to handle an undefined video join when audio provides a known
interval, including whether the broadcast-wide bound can be established in that
case. Do not promise a bound based solely on the known rendition interval unless
the plan explains how unknown joins are accounted for.
- Around line 26-28: Update the audio join handling so live increases cannot
produce groups larger than the fixed broadcast join advertised by the catalog,
while preserving the existing first-frame-at-least-join behavior within that
bound. Add a live-update regression test that increases audio join after
publication and verifies the group size remains within the advertised bound.
- Around line 32-34: Update the audit plan’s video-join scope so it does not
treat the nominal catalog duration as an upper bound: account for
input/configured framerate mismatches that can make media duration exceed the
advertised interval, and establish how the audit should handle resulting HLS
EXTINF values relative to the catalog bound. Keep the stated non-goals for
media.join.interval and timestamp-driven joins only if they remain consistent
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Specify how to handle unknown rendition joins.
A custom video producer can leave its hint undefined while audio declares 20 ms. The broadcast then freezes 20 ms even if video groups start two seconds apart. The plan should address unknown hints before promising a broadcast-wide bound.
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Review comment at @quest/m1/api-audit/join.md around lines 23 - 24:
Clarify the join-interval plan for renditions with unknown hints: specify how to
handle an undefined video join when audio provides a known interval, including
whether the broadcast-wide bound can be established in that case. Do not promise
a bound based solely on the known rendition interval unless the plan explains
how unknown joins are accounted for.
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Specify how audio respects the fixed broadcast join.
If audio join increases from 20 ms to two seconds after publication, the current encoder can produce two-second groups while the catalog still advertises 20 ms. Require the implementation to keep audio groups within the fixed bound, and add a live-update regression test.
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Review comment at @quest/m1/api-audit/join.md around lines 26 - 28:
Update the audio join handling so live increases cannot produce groups larger
than the fixed broadcast join advertised by the catalog, while preserving the
existing first-frame-at-least-join behavior within that bound. Add a live-update
regression test that increases audio join after publication and verifies the
group size remains within the advertised bound.
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The nominal video join can exceed the catalog bound.
With a 30 fps configuration and 15 fps input, a 60-frame GOP can span about four seconds while the catalog advertises two. HLS can then list an EXTINF shorter than the media. This behavior already exists, but the plan treats the nominal duration as an upper bound.
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Review comment at @quest/m1/api-audit/join.md around lines 32 - 34:
Update the audit plan’s video-join scope so it does not treat the nominal
catalog duration as an upper bound: account for input/configured framerate
mismatches that can make media duration exceed the advertised interval, and
establish how the audit should handle resulting HLS EXTINF values relative to
the catalog bound. Keep the stated non-goals for media.join.interval and
timestamp-driven joins only if they remain consistent with that outcome.
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From the final API audit pass (moq-dev/moq#8088): @moq/publishBroadcast.join (js/publish/src/broadcast.ts:172) is a public, writable Signal<Milli | undefined>, yet only the broadcast should set it, since it is the longest join any rendition declared. The rename this plan describes already touches it, so it could also expose it read-only (a Getter, or readonly join: Getter<...> backed by a private signal), the way the out fields are. That would leave Rendition.join and Broadcast.join both read-only effective values, with the encoder join config as the only knob.
The audit leaves this to this plan rather than racing it.
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Plans Encoders take a join, a child of the m1 API audit epic. It's a follow-up raised while queueing moq-dev/moq#7279.
Video's
keyframeInterval/Gop::Keyframe { interval }/MoqVideoGop/ Cgop, audio'sgroupDuration/group_duration, and the C hints'group_duration_usall become onejointime (join: Milliin JS,join: Durationin Rust and FFI,join_usin C), named after the catalog'smedia.jointhey feed.Decisions (maintainer, 2026-11-06)
Scope?
Name?
join; its doc comment says it is the time between join pointsRust video API shape?
join: Durationfield everywhere; the one-variantGop/MoqVideoGopenum is deletedJoinenumjoin_framescount in Rust/FFI/CMilestone?
Rendition.joinIntervalandBroadcast.join(Pullfrog)?Rendition.joinIntervalbecomesRendition.join; configjoinis requested,Rendition.joineffective,Broadcast.jointhe longestjoinIntervalWhat does
join = 0mean (Pullfrog)?Review
Fresh round 1 (Codex gpt-6.1-sol, medium) on head ffcba06, a merge of origin/main 636ba9f: no findings. The merge's one conflict was the end of the api-audit README. Main finished the route epic and #7986 dropped the Related link, so only this branch's
join.mdRequired entry remains.Head bec62bb: review skipped by the authoring model. It only rewords two lines so migration notes go in the PR's Impact section, per the
AGENTS.mdrule from #8024.Round 2 (Codex gpt-6.1-sol, medium) on head 899cd72 against origin/main d505e96: no findings. Responses to earlier findings:
Rendition.joinread the effective, frame-rounded duration, with tests named for a fractional frame rate and a sub-framejoin.Public API and wire impact: planning only. The planned change breaks
@moq/publish,moq-video,moq-audio,moq-ffi, and themoq-cABI. Wire: none.(Written by Claude Opus 5.5 with high effort)
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